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RE: Forget e-mail, forget Notes [as a mail client]. Domino is the key.
~Frank Oplumarettu 3.Oct.02 08:12 PM a Web browser
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Just a little something to think about:

>> Stan, great point! Notes is *not* about e-mail.

While that is somewhat technically true, MS successfully argues that very case and wins. It is --VERY DANGEROUS-- to ignore the email aspect and focus only on the application side. In fact, MS assumes that defenders of Domino will do exactly that. Here is roughly what I have pieced together after being called in to help on various "conversion" projects - and by then it is too late:

[1] MS will say that Notes/Domino is an application platform that does e-mail as an extra. Note the word "extra".

[2] Once they have convinced the business of that, they then ask the question: Why have an application server handle email, when you can have a --DEDICATED-- email platform that uses a familiar email client and integrates with your Windows security?

[3] If #2 works, then, comes the conversion. Notes applications are ripped apart, doclinks broken, workflow has to be rewritten, rich text won't work, and the NAB is not updated as quickly - if at all - as Exchange controls the data, causing ACL nightmares. This results in redundent data requirements - both Exchange and Notes (for security) need to have valid users and groups. It also results in redudent installs and users asking why they need to go to Notes with that ID file when Outlook doesn't need it.

[4] Then, the MS guy says - why are you paying all of these Lotus licenses to access Notes? Why all of this fragile redundency? Why don't we convert those apps over to MS solutions - which is now ".Net"?

[5] Then comes the analysis which shows that most of those deployed apps are only used occasionally by users who were never actually trained on what collaboration is, why it is useful, and how it benefits the bottom line. (This is a --*BIG*-- problem in my opinion.)

[6] Then they convert the highly used apps, and halt all further "legacy" Notes development.

So here is something to consider: don't ignore the email!!!! Communication is the heart of collaboration. Ripping out email is like ripping out your heart and replacing it with something that wasn't meant to be there.

MS knows that.




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